![]() ![]() As we evolved, and as we did with this episode for tomorrow, we started to tap into the wisdom of Times journalists beyond what they might be writing for the paper. No, in The Daily, which is a podcast, it’s now seven months in at the New York Times, I think when we envisioned it, was going to be pretty consistently teeing off and tethered to a story in the New York Times. ![]() Yeah, “I don’t want to answer your question.” I find usually when someone says, “Great question. It’s very funny, when I ask questions of guests and they say, “Great question,” I can’t tell if they’re flattering me. I do want to ask, I’m just, I’m running through my head, so is this going to be a New York Times story as well? Then you guys are gonna talk about that? Like any great Daily segment, it has an idea embedded in it, which you can ask me about. We just rewound the tape and said what if we just start that news conference all over again and answer the original question from the reporter, which was, “Can you talk about Niger?” We ask the question “What really happened there?” And my colleague Helene Cooper - who covers the Pentagon for the Times - talks about that. What we do is we took the concept of that news conference in the Rose Garden that the president had last week, where the question from a reporter was, “Could we ask you to talk about what happened in Niger?” And if you listen really carefully, the president was asked to talk about what had happened in Niger, and he went on a tangent and took it to the subject of his phone calls to servicemen and began to compare that with President Barack Obama, and made a bunch of dubious claims about that. It’s a conversation about what really happened in Niger with those U.S. īroke up with Jeff Flake, Jeff Flake broke up with him, does that. We were talking about this onstage, with Sam about sort of what the bar for a Trump story is. We had to ask the president not to make any news. We had to rush the whole show, we had to change the whole news cycle just for you. You often are working this time of night, right? But thank you for coming anyway, thank you for coming on an evening. I would like the guests to sort of dress down a little bit. “Because I’m going to dress very casually.” I said, “I’m wearing a jacket.” you said, “Great.” Now. We talked, we said we don’t want to overthink this, but you asked me, “What are you going to wear?” Listen, we also, I got a bone to pick with you. ![]() We have the host of The Daily’s podcast, Michael Barbaro. Who here listens to podcasts besides Recode Media? Who listens to the New York Times The Daily podcast? I have good news. You will like hearing from him too, so let’s go to Joe’s Pub right now. He’s great, the audience is really great, they loved hearing him. We talked to Michael Barbaro, he’s the host of the New York Times’ mega hit podcast The Daily. That’s me, I’m part of the Vox Media podcast network, I’m speaking to you from Vox’s New York headquarters, but I’m just going to be here for a minute, because we’re going to go live, on tape, to Joe’s Pub. Peter Kafka: This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. If you like this, be sure to subscribe to Recode Media on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Overcast or wherever you listen to podcasts. Below, we’ve provided a lightly edited complete transcript of their conversation. You can read some of the highlights from the interview here, or listen to it in the audio player above.
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